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A Call to Prayer


Vespers in the Münster Cathedral (St. Paulus Dom), Germany.


A Call to Prayer


Vespers in the Münster Cathedral (St. Paulus Dom), Germany.


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  • E Etomi
  • London
  • 24 Nov 2010, 00:41
Serene Love the treatment as usual Ginnie
Ginnie Hart: As always, Etomi, thank you.
  • rian
  • United States
  • 24 Nov 2010, 01:46
nice shot of these old priests (in action..? grin )
Ginnie Hart: "In action" may be why they need lots of prayers, Rian? (sigh) But thanks.
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 24 Nov 2010, 03:15
Crikey, Ginnie...between you and Brian, I am getting to know so much about these places...

Let's see if I have it right, already...the Vespers are the two guys in the pink caps, right?

And they are sitting near the nave with the big feet, not far from the font, and looking towards the chancel?

Ginnie Hart: To be honest, Ray, I have no clue what most of this means. Do the "beanie" hats (sorry, I don't mean disrespect but that's what we called them growing up, not knowing the real name) give higher rank than the priest without his? This was a small little alcove chapel that was visible to the public and several of us were taking pictures...until a man came by and told me to stop. Thankfully I had already taken several pictures, one especially of the hatless man scratching his head. smile
  • Peter
  • United States
  • 24 Nov 2010, 03:19
Great image Ginnie! I really like the texture and feel of it.
Ginnie Hart: Thank you kindly, Peter.
  • Astrid
  • Netherlands
  • 24 Nov 2010, 05:40
This was a special moment to see and hear these priests in prayers, however I do have mixed emotions when I see a scene like this.
They need their prayers right now for what's going on in the Catholic Church worldwide.
I just found out that a 'church helper' pushed you away because you took pictures, lucky for him that I was not nearby, I would have asked him why he pushed my wife, that will shake some grounds under him, two women in church, happily married to each other.....
I do love the picture, I love the scene, I love the twiddle, but than I always see the Catholic Church as an art object, being a christian comes from the heart and not by showing off.
Ginnie Hart: I know, of course, MLMA, exactly where you're coming from and share a lot of what you think and feel. Every faith/denomination has its scandal, sadly, but the RC church is so worldwide that it gets the most publicity. I hate it for all of us throughout the ages who have been victims of discrimination in one form or another...often in the name of God or Christianity. Sometimes you wonder if prayer can fix any of it!

Thank you for sharing these thoughts from your heart. If you don't share them, who will? The good thing is the man didn't push me and ask me to stop till I had already taken several pictures...especially of the hatless priest scratching his head. That just about said it all. I don't think he liked my big lens because I didn't see him stopping any of the other tourists. smile
A wonderful viewpoint Ginnie... You can't miss the air of serenity and peace! Great shot!
Ginnie Hart: I'm guessing they need the quiet and serenity these days, Pavan. Thanks.
  • Chris
  • England
  • 24 Nov 2010, 06:36
A nice intimate shot Ginnie: was there much of a congregation?
Ginnie Hart: In this case, Chris, it appeared that only priests were there. Philine might know a bit more about why?
  • Elaine-
  • Canada
  • 24 Nov 2010, 06:59
this is just beautiful, Ginnie, tho it does make me think about alot of priests and the charges they have against them, which makes me sad....
Ginnie Hart: One does wonder what priests are thinking and going through all over the world these days, Elaine. Very sad, indded, when the sins of the few implicate the many.
I really like this Ginnie perfect viewpoint.
Ginnie Hart: Thank you, kind sir.
I like the colours.
Ginnie Hart: I do, too, Nigel. Thank you.
I can't think of Vespers without drooling over the music of Montiverdi.
Ginnie Hart: Oh yes, Chad. Happy memories for me, too, even though I wasn't raised with Vespers.
Well captured and timeless.
Ginnie Hart: Thank you, John. Priests for all seasons, I guess?
  • Philine
  • Germany
  • 24 Nov 2010, 08:33
Oh, Ginnie, I remember the moments in St. Paul's Cathedral as you were so fascinated by these 'Domherren' ( maybe, our Bishop is taking part in this Vesper, too) and we heard them praying - for the world, as I hope, which is now in such a disorder and chaos again, and for us! A very fine and also decent picture!
To Chris: Ten priests, partly diocesan bishops, belong to the congregation of the Cathedral (Domkapitel), they live in the near of the Dome, prepare the services, and help the Bishop to conduct/hold the large diocese Münster. Some well- known persons of the RC Church came from Münster, for example Pope Benedict XVI, Kardinal von Galen (fighting against the NS-Regime) or Kardinal Frings...

(The next time when we'll meet each other we have to talk about Astrid's and your thoughts about the RC Church)
Ginnie Hart: I knew you would know about these men of the cloth, Philine. Thank you, altijd, for your extra tidbits that fill in the blanks for the rest of us. Hartstikke bedankt.

And yes, the next time we'll have many things to talk about! smile
Amen ! Coucou Ginnie, no, it is not my birthday(anniversary), just a dream, an assembly(editing), to smile, kiss to you...
Ginnie Hart: Amen, indeed, Pierrot. And thanks for clearing up the '62.' smile Merci.
Are they still learning ?
Ginnie Hart: Are any of us, Martin, I wonder??!!
I like the angle you captured them from, so respectful to their faith
Ginnie Hart: Thank you, Chantal.
  • Fokkio
  • The Netherlands
  • 24 Nov 2010, 09:59
Je weet altijd van die sfeervolle foto's te maken. Deze is ook erg mooi. Een fijne dag Ginnie.
Ginnie Hart: Hartstikke bedankt, Fokkio. You're a sweetheart.
  • Louis
  • South Africa
  • 24 Nov 2010, 10:25
Excellent conversion again.

Since you, Ray and I don't seem to know what vespers (evening prayers) are, I looked it up:

The general structure of the Roman Rite Catholic service of vespers is as follows:
1. Vespers opens with the singing or chanting of the words Deus, in adiutorium meum intende. Domine, ad adiuvandum me festina. Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen. Alleluia. (O God, come to my assistance. O Lord, make haste to help me. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be world without end. Amen. Alleluia.) ("Alleluia" is omitted during Lent.)
2. A hymn is then sung;
3. Two psalms and a New Testament canticle (in the liturgy in general use since 1970) or five psalms (in the liturgy in general use before 1970) are then sung, with the psalms (and canticles) concluding in a doxology (Gloria Patri). The psalms are preceded and followed with an antiphon.
4. After the psalms, there is a reading from the Bible.
5. Following the reading, there is a short responsory consisting of a verse, a response, the first half only of the Gloria Patri, and then the verse again.
6. Then the participants sing the Magnificat — the canticle of the Blessed Virgin Mary from the Gospel of Luke I:46-55. The Magnificat is always preceded and followed by an antiphon.
The preces (prayers) are then said, followed by the Our Father, and then the closing prayer (oratio).
7. The office is frequently followed by Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.

So they would be quite busy.
Ginnie Hart: And now we know! I don't know if this was a complete version of Vespers, Louis, as you've described it here, since it wasn't evening but more like mid-afternoon. That threw me off a bit. But they were indeed going through some sort of ritual! Thanks for your sleuthing to find this out for us.
Les couleurs, l'ambiance et le cadrage de cette photo me plaîsent beaucoup. Je ne sais pas quelle technique vous utilisez pour traiter votre photo mais le résultat est superbe... Bravo!
Ginnie Hart: You're a real sweetheart, Olivier, and sure know how to make my day. MERCI.
I like the wrought iron work. To my simple mind it puts the priests where they should be - away from the public.
Ginnie Hart: Sigh. So much controversy swirls around these men of the cloth, Sheila. It's so hard to know what to think anymore. I do hope their prayers will be effectual.
sssshhhhh!!! please do not disturb!!! smile
Ginnie Hart: Exactly, Fabrizio! smile Grazie.
  • Louis
  • South Africa
  • 24 Nov 2010, 11:38
Mid-afternoon? Prompted me to further 'sleuthing' as I know they have hourly things they do and on different days. E.g. morning mass on Sundays around 6 or 7 (can't remember exactly).

The result of the sleuthing: You witnessed either Sext or None - depending on which side of the mid-afternoon you were. You can read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy_of_the_Hours and you will see that there are major and minor hours and the liturgy will differ.

It is also interesting to note that the liturgy of the hours is a continuation of the Jewish practice.
Ginnie Hart: As Pauline mentions after you, it was probably None, around 3p., Louis. Most interesting! Thanks again for the extra sleuthing. smile
  • Philine
  • Germany
  • 24 Nov 2010, 11:50
I don't think that it was a Vesper as Louis described it, but we heard the church helper using this term - the daily Vesper is usually celebrated by the poor Clare sisters at 6 pm. who live in strong seclusion next to the Cathedral, they are supported only by inhabitants and market visitors with food..., I had once a contact with them in their monastery.
I like to read the word Love & Peace on your photo - yes, this is what we are wishing! You are a Mother Courage, I had not dared to photograph them - but I like this picture very much.
I think it might be very difficult to be priest - considering the hierarchical structures of the church and our modern secular times. I know personally a Catholic priest working at the Lambertikirche, he speaks openly about his problems and finds some comfort and compensation in the classical music.
Louis' comments are very interesting. I suppose it was a "Stundengebet"/liturgy of hour at None (3pm.). In England I took part in the Evensong, a kind of Vesper service, too. The Anglican Church continues some liturgy we know from the RC church.
Ginnie Hart: I learn more by the minute between you and Louis, Philine! Thank you. This all is most interesting.
  • anniedog
  • United Kingdom
  • 24 Nov 2010, 12:15
Love the quiet, contemplative feel to this Ginnie. I definitely feel like I am on the outside looking in.
Ginnie Hart: Thank you, Ingrid. There was a wide-open door to the left but no one was entering their space. Most interesting.
They must have thought you were a reporter of some kind Ginnie smile They seem to be having a quiet time doing what they do. Lovely peaceful shot smile
Ginnie Hart: Even though there was a wide-open door to the left of this shot, Linda, no one was going in to join them. That puzzled me. And this was happening while many tourists were on this side, bustling about and looking in. So many questions....
  • vintage
  • Brisbane Australia
  • 24 Nov 2010, 12:29
Great work
Ginnie Hart: Thank you kindly, Vintage.
  • jess
  • USA
  • 24 Nov 2010, 14:44
Oh, Ginnie; I love this. The cast iron interlude standing between your and the priests in accordance with your processing technique speaks a thousand words. I'm still amazed how you don't have to look into someone's face to feel an abundance of emotion. Beautiful!!!
Ginnie Hart: Your words are very special to me, Jess. Thank you kindly. I especially like the thought you expressed at the end. Sometimes body language says it all...you're so right!
Great bshot Ginnie, candid but not intrusive in such a situation. Ray is learning from us both this week as he says, tongue in cheek I think, he has learnt font cover and nave from me so far this week, Friday he gets to learn reredos.
Ginnie Hart: We're all learning, Brian, especially those of us not raised in the RC church. smile Thanks.
A picture I don't normally see Ginnie..So..well captured.
Ginnie Hart: Me neither, Ron. It was a rare moment for me. Thank you.
A very professional shot ! Cheers
Ginnie Hart: That's very sweet, Calusarus. Merci.
A somewhat select congregation by the looks of it!
Ginnie Hart: I'd say so, Tom!
  • Mroy
  • United States
  • 24 Nov 2010, 18:46
I love everything about this image.

Happy thanksgiving from across the pond.
Ginnie Hart: Thank you, Maria. I've had a glitch in my throat thinking of you all celebrating today. But as I told Astrid, there's no place I'd rather be than where I am right now, by her side!
Vespers by AA Milne

Little Boy kneels at the foot of the bed,
Droops on the little hands little gold head.
Hush! Hush! Whisper who dares!
Christopher Robin is saying his prayers.

God bless Mummy. I know that's right.
Wasn't it fun in the bath to-night?
The cold's so cold, and the hot's so hot.
Oh! God bless Daddy - I quite forgot.

If I open my fingers a little bit more,
I can see Nanny's dressing-gown on the door.
It's a beautiful blue, but it hasn't a hood.
Oh! God bless Nanny and make her good.

Mine has a hood, and I lie in bed,
And pull the hood right over my head,
And I shut my eyes, and I curl up small,
And nobody knows that I'm there at all.

Oh! Thank you, God, for a lovely day.
And what was the other I had to say?
I said "Bless Daddy," so what can it be?
Oh! Now I remember it. God bless Me.

Little Boy kneels at the foot of the bed,
Droops on the little hands little gold head.
Hush! Hush! Whisper who dares!
Christopher Robin is saying his prayers.
Ginnie Hart: Ohhhhh. I needed me some Winnie-the-Pooh right about now, Sir Bill. Thank you...and tiddely pom.
  • Liang
  • United States
  • 24 Nov 2010, 18:55
beautiful framing here to catch their prayers!
Ginnie Hart: Thank you, Liang. I couldn't resist the opportunity.
Super picture. I wouldn't have had the nerve to take this!
Ginnie Hart: Actually, Graeme, several of us were snapping away (which must have been distracting to the priests?) but I had the biggest lens and therefore was singled out to stop! I'm not sorry I 'intruded' on their service. It did seem to be open to the public. Anyway, thanks.
  • Maxou
  • France
  • 24 Nov 2010, 21:03
Great capture with a excellent light. Have a lovely evening Ginnie.
Ginnie Hart: Thank you as always, Antoine. Merci.
  • CherryPie
  • Great Britain (UK)
  • 24 Nov 2010, 22:18
What a great capture, I can feel their mood.
Ginnie Hart: It was like they were in their own little world, Cherie. Maybe they are?
  • Oscar
  • Germany
  • 24 Nov 2010, 22:21
Un tratamiento estupendo.

Have a nice day
Ginnie Hart: Muchas gracias, Oscar. You, too.
lovely respectful shot Ginnie
Ginnie Hart: Thank you, Derek. They didn't seem to be disturbed at all by the bustle outside their wee little chapel.
  • Andy
  • Germany
  • 24 Nov 2010, 23:47
Really cool candid moment you captured. I like the composition of this shot through the ornate gates!
Ginnie Hart: Thank you kindly, Andy. I couldn't resist the photo op! smile
  • Peter
  • Canada
  • 25 Nov 2010, 04:16
Great composition Ginnie.....i like the angle that you used to catch the depth of the railing..... i am still trying to read grin what your textured background lol....petersmile
Ginnie Hart: Believe it or not, Peter, it says 'peace.' How appropriate is that! Thank you.
I am not much of a church guy but that sure is a cool shot.
Ginnie Hart: Neither am I anymore, Michael, especially not high church. Thanks.
Excellent capture Ginnie. We can feel the atmosphere!
Ginnie Hart: Merci, dear Richard. Merci.
  • tede
  • France
  • 25 Nov 2010, 09:10
A beautiful image in the intimacy of prayer. Magnificent compo. Ginnie great day.
Ginnie Hart: Merci, dear Tede. It was a special moment, indeed.
Great shot. Love the way the priests are absorbed in their prayers/reading, while there is enough context around them to give a wonderful feel of the church.
Ginnie Hart: Thank you kindly, JP, for stopping by and commenting.
Beautiful processing and great angle. Hey that one guy doesn't have the little cap on, isn't he going to get busted for not following dress code? smile
Ginnie Hart: HA! I'm guessing it means something, Mark, but I haven't a clue. Maybe he hasn't reached rank yet? smile
  • Rob
  • United States
  • 25 Nov 2010, 17:03
Very nice serene capture!
Ginnie Hart: Thank you kindlly, Rob.
  • george
  • Ireland
  • 25 Nov 2010, 17:31
I know that your not in the "old coutry" any more - but happy Thanksgiving Day Ginnie.

Perhaps that what Vespers ia all about?
Ginnie Hart: Thank you for the Thanksgiving greetings, George. I had a bit of a glitch on Wednesday when I thought about not being in the States with my family...but yesterday I was okay. The thing is, I am very thankful for where I am in my life and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. And yes, that's what Vespers is all about. Thank you.
  • Petra
  • Netherlands
  • 29 Nov 2010, 10:42
love this one, cool!
Ginnie Hart: Hartstikke bedankt, Petra.
I love the vantage point, we feel really here, and silence is here too... respectful one.
Ginnie Hart: Merci, dear Karine. It was a special moment, yes.
This is very, very nice Ginnie. I love the soft, muted colour of their robes and you've captured the essence of peace here. Bravo!
Ginnie Hart: It was such a surprise to see this, right out along one of the main thoroughfares of the cathedral, Pamela. Thank you.

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